Thursday, July 20, 2006

Old Glory

Welcome everyone to the inaugural posting of Outside the Beltway. The purpose of this blog is for me as a conservative to be able to express my views and hopefully insights in regards to politics, history, and current events. I do not profess to have my finger on the pulse of conservativism or to completely understand the events and history of the world, but merely want to express the ideals and opinions of those of us who reside outside the D.C. beltway. If you agree with my comments I would love to hear about it. If you disagree with my comments I would love to hear about it as well.

A few weeks back Senator Orrin Hatch (R. Utah) proposed an amendment to the Constitution which would add a federal protection to our nation's flag. The amendment would have protected the flag from desecration and burning. Unfortunately, this proposed amendment failed by one vote. The Supreme Court has continued to uphold flag burning stating that it is protected under the first amendment and freedom of speech. I feel that this is an absurd notion. Old Glory is a symbol of this proud and noble nation. It represents the valor, courage, and blood of those who have fought and continue to fight for our liberties. It is a symbol to millions of democracy, liberty, and the ability to create and live your dreams. It is a symbol of this nation just as much, if not more than the bald eagle or the White House. What would be the penalities to any citizen who shot and killed a bald eagle or who defaced and vandalized the White House? Why aren't those actions protected under the banner of freedom of speech? The answer is that those actions are also absurd, deemed disgraceful, and those symbols are protected by federal law. Flag burning or any sort of desecration of the flag should not be allowed and should not be protected by the first amendment. In my opinion, those who burn or desecrate the flag are spitting upon the graves of those who have fallen and made the ultimate sacrifice to protect and preserve our freedoms. Flag burning does not show your disapproval with the government or the current administration, but actually shows your disdain for the nation and the ideals and values which it upholds. The flag of the United States of America is the most powerful symbol of our nation and needs to be and should be protected by federal law.


Blogger rorochub said...

I would say that the difference between the flag and a bald eagle would be that the Bald Eagle is a living thing. As to the White House - that is public property. So I can understand why that is protected.

A flag can be something that is personal property. So why should there be a limit on the destroying of this personal property. Of course within rules/laws/guidelines that would prevent that act from hurting anyone else. We must protect the rights of all of our citizens to peacefully disagree with those in power. It's an essential right. One that many men and women of our armed forces have died for....

2:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great Blog.

I go back and forth on this issue. Not in the John Kerry way, because I don't base my values on polls, but since there are multiple valid points of view that I recognize...

I would never burn a flag and do not condone the practice. However, I don't know if someone's right to express themselves freely should be compromised. Even if I do not agree with them and wish they shared my sentiments for my country and all that the flag stands for.

2:34 PM  
Blogger pyroyo697 said...

Here is a come you can burn a flag as a legal and taught practice for getting rid of old flags then.....Just a thought....

2:42 PM  
Blogger Outside the Beltway said...

In response to pyroyo697. There is a great difference in burning the flag through a ceremony of retirement and burning the flag because you disagree or disapprove with the government.

2:49 PM  
Blogger homebrue said...

I am a conservative by nature, and am against burning the flag. With that out front, I am also an American. I believe the symbol of our country is more than a flag, it is the fundimental right to stand up and protest, in if they want burn the flag in protest. Well, it is their right to do so, as long as it is their personal property.
No I am never happy to see it happen, but its protection is not as important as the freedoms it stands for.
Would I burn a flag, NO! Never. Does it hurt anyone directly, No. Does passing a law and changing certain freedoms hurt someone, Yes.
I wish I could say differ, but our freedoms are more important than the symbols of our freedom.

2:50 PM  
Blogger gjennmike said...

The symbol of the American flag is public property is it not? Free speech is a right that needs to be closely guarded, but national symbols are different to personal and private items. I do think that the protection stops at the flag itself. A depiction of the flag painted on a wall or car or t-shirt is another issue. I feel that the flag in and of itself should be protected.

2:51 PM  
Blogger Outside the Beltway said...

For me it does not make sense that you are exercising your freedom of speech by burning the flag. Basically, you are desecrating the symbol of your rights. It is the same as me professing to be a devout christian, while at the same time burning bibles and vandalizing crosses. There seems to be some contradiction. It is the contradiction that leads me to believe that burning the flag is not freedom of speech. I am all for peaceful demonstrations. If we all blindly followed the government, then America would not be great. However, there are a million plus better ways to show your disagreement or disapproval than burning Old Glory.

3:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

otb, you are wise in your young years, I believe politics are in your future. Stay strong and convicted.

5:46 PM  
Blogger homebrue said...

Well, I honestly do not like the analogy that was given there. A devote Christian would not burn a cross in defiance of God, Would He?? I mean that had to do with Religion, right?
Why can we have a cross, worship in a chapel, and have public displays prompting God, among many other things? Thats right, because of the freedoms we are given.
People can burn a cross, it actually happens all the time, and they proclaim to be a devote Christian. I think you know who I am talking about. Is it legal for them to do?? Yep. Is it right in my mind, NO.
We must remember, Laws are not put in place for comfort. They are in place to protect our freedom. We have to be very cautious on what laws we make, because it will start a trend, and the majority will tell the minority that they can't say certain things because it is offensive to them.
Offensive things such as the burning of a flag are just that, offensive. What it comes down to is taking liberties away from people, even if we don't agree with them, they still should have their liberty and freedoms.
That is what our forefathers had in mind and what people truly died for. If I were asked to go out and die for a flag, I would call you crazy, but if I were asked to die for my freedoms, then I would fight to the death.

7:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree with the last the name of freedom we have seen too many violations of peoples rights. At this point in our society people can almost rationilize their way through any practice or act.

But that is the great thing about our country that we can have that dilemna of freedom. Freedom has it price and I would rather live in the land and be able rights and a flag to protect.

I wish those that are offended by those that disagree could find a way to understand they are creating more of what they oppose. What I mean is how can these groups demand people give them the right to think how they want and to act how they want but they will not allow those that disagree to actually disagree.

9:58 AM  
Blogger homebrue said...

Back to pyroro's comment. If there was a law that said you could not burn the flag, would it effect the traditional way of retiring a flag? Maybe everyone is just out retiring flags and there just happens to be a protest past by? ever thought about? he-he-he.
Would it be a good thing if the flag were never burned in protest, yes.
Would making this a law stop flag burning? Nope, it would only increase, and the radicals would only promote it more, thus making more of a problem than occured before.
Last year there were 12 incidents of flag burning. It this a good reason to take the lid off of the constitution?? I do not think so personally. I think we should all consentrate on supporting our troops.
This is a political move that will be used against many when elections come around. Fingers will be pointed, and many will be called flag burners.

8:59 AM  
Blogger gjennmike said...

Homebrue's last comment made me think, Good points made about # of incidents as well as political reasons behind it. Although I don't necessarily think tht there are enough incidents to go changing the constitution over it; and I certainly am not interested in creating another political leverage machine, I do think that there is something to be said for doing what is right. Defending what is right as a matter of principle. Flag burning is wrong, it shouldn't be done, and maybe something should be done to protect that, just because it is the right thing. Maybe not.....

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Anonymous Thunderbird said...

And as usial liberals will squeal like stuck pigs over a constitutional amedment protecting old glory and it will be before the infamous 9th curcut court

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Anonymous Thunerbird said...

Well having the stars and stipes as our flag and having the bald eagle as our symbol sure beats having the rainbow fag and a pink chicken

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